Comments on: Reason 647 to HomeSchool: Your Retarded Child Won’t Get Raped http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/ I can't believe that came from your mouth! Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:22:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: BelchSpeak » Post Topic » Reason 881 to Homeschool: Your Special Needs Child Won’t Get Lost on Subway Coming Home From Rape Session http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-110755 BelchSpeak » Post Topic » Reason 881 to Homeschool: Your Special Needs Child Won’t Get Lost on Subway Coming Home From Rape Session Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:50:59 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-110755 [...] is it about special needs teachers that make them want to molest their students? See here, here, here, and here. Is it all the hugging? Or is it that they think these disabled kids won’t blab to [...] [...] is it about special needs teachers that make them want to molest their students? See here, here, here, and here. Is it all the hugging? Or is it that they think these disabled kids won’t blab to [...]

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-82132 Elizabeth Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:56:24 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-82132 How am I glossing over depraved behavior? I'm responding to the public facts of the case as stated in police reports. You are responding to your fantasy version of the story. Something to consider: if this student were physically or developmentally disabled, isn't it possible the accused would be charged with sexual assault or rape? Researching the Iowa code for definitions of these different charges would be a responsible place to start if you want to infer any details about the case. I can think of a dozen cases where a story broke and was manipulated by the press, only to dramatically change when more facts were released. Refer to the Amanda Knox case as a prime example. You are free to judge whomever you want, but you are still guilty of presenting information in a misleading manner with the purpose of sensationalizing the story. It's not a pathetic excuse to save judgement until all the facts are in, it's responsible. How am I glossing over depraved behavior? I’m responding to the public facts of the case as stated in police reports. You are responding to your fantasy version of the story. Something to consider: if this student were physically or developmentally disabled, isn’t it possible the accused would be charged with sexual assault or rape? Researching the Iowa code for definitions of these different charges would be a responsible place to start if you want to infer any details about the case.

I can think of a dozen cases where a story broke and was manipulated by the press, only to dramatically change when more facts were released. Refer to the Amanda Knox case as a prime example.

You are free to judge whomever you want, but you are still guilty of presenting information in a misleading manner with the purpose of sensationalizing the story.

It’s not a pathetic excuse to save judgement until all the facts are in, it’s responsible.

]]> By: Pat http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80758 Pat Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:24:49 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80758 I'm always amazed at the ability of liberals to gloss over depraved behavior by using the excuse that they don't know all of the facts, dont really know the people involved or the pathetic excuse that people shouldn't judge others. Keep looking the other way Elizabeth. I’m always amazed at the ability of liberals to gloss over depraved behavior by using the excuse that they don’t know all of the facts, dont really know the people involved or the pathetic excuse that people shouldn’t judge others.

Keep looking the other way Elizabeth.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80748 Elizabeth Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:47:20 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80748 I don't think I've said anything crass. And lets get away from this special education thing. We both agree it's not just "retarded" kids in these classes. We can also agree that no part of any article about this story indicates that the student was in a special education class. He was a student at West High. And at the time of the alleged sexual encounters he was not a student there at all. He dropped out in April. Although she was an associate at the school and that is considered a position of public trust which holds higher standards for behavior than the rest of society, to assume that she used that position of authority to persuade or manipulate the student into a relationship is also an assumption. It's amazing how easy it is for you (and the news media) to draw the most sensational story out of the fewest facts. You latched on to the words "special education" and "lascivious acts with a minor" and that was all you needed. All news media and bloggers are overly capable of providing inaccurate or misleading information. You are perpetuating the dissemination of inaccurate and misleading information for the benefit of people who read headlines but skip the articles. In the interest of personal integrity you have a responsibility to present information truthfully. Your opinions are what they are, but don't alter the facts to suit yourself. I don’t think I’ve said anything crass. And lets get away from this special education thing. We both agree it’s not just “retarded” kids in these classes. We can also agree that no part of any article about this story indicates that the student was in a special education class. He was a student at West High. And at the time of the alleged sexual encounters he was not a student there at all. He dropped out in April. Although she was an associate at the school and that is considered a position of public trust which holds higher standards for behavior than the rest of society, to assume that she used that position of authority to persuade or manipulate the student into a relationship is also an assumption. It’s amazing how easy it is for you (and the news media) to draw the most sensational story out of the fewest facts. You latched on to the words “special education” and “lascivious acts with a minor” and that was all you needed. All news media and bloggers are overly capable of providing inaccurate or misleading information. You are perpetuating the dissemination of inaccurate and misleading information for the benefit of people who read headlines but skip the articles. In the interest of personal integrity you have a responsibility to present information truthfully. Your opinions are what they are, but don’t alter the facts to suit yourself.

]]> By: Pat http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80484 Pat Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:31:57 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80484 No Elizabeth, its neither crass, nor is it an assumption. What's crass is a teacher raping a child who is even less capable than normal children to make adult decisions. And the odds that it was a retarded child as opposed to school valedictorian are extremely in my favor. So to turn your logic around on you, until facts arise which identify the student as developmentally or physically <b>normal</b> your crass statements are assumptions, not facts. No Elizabeth, its neither crass, nor is it an assumption. What’s crass is a teacher raping a child who is even less capable than normal children to make adult decisions. And the odds that it was a retarded child as opposed to school valedictorian are extremely in my favor.

So to turn your logic around on you, until facts arise which identify the student as developmentally or physically normal your crass statements are assumptions, not facts.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80479 Elizabeth Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:10:27 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-80479 I'm aware of the curriculum for special education classes. They focus on developmental, behavioral, and physical disabilities. They also include assistance for learning disabilities and for those students who simply have difficulty reading. There are also ESL courses. Until facts arise which identify the student as developmentally or physically disabled, your crass statements are assumptions not facts. I’m aware of the curriculum for special education classes. They focus on developmental, behavioral, and physical disabilities. They also include assistance for learning disabilities and for those students who simply have difficulty reading. There are also ESL courses. Until facts arise which identify the student as developmentally or physically disabled, your crass statements are assumptions not facts.

]]> By: Pat http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79913 Pat Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:00:32 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79913 No, Elizabeth, its not in my head at all. She worked for the learning center at the school. The curricula for the classes is here: http://www.iowa-city.k12.ia.us/west/programofstudies/specialprograms.htm They mention both physically and developmentally disabled students. It was indeed likely that the teen had a troubled home life. Most teacher sex predators select just such kids to be their victims. But its also likely that the child was somehow disabled. The point is that this teacher's aid was working with the school's most vulnerable children. And this isn't the <a href="http://www.belch.com/blog/2007/10/24/reason-368-to-homeschool-special-ed-teacher-wont-bang-your-special-needs-son-and-let-him-drive-without-a-license/" rel="nofollow">first special ed teacher</a> I've written about. No, Elizabeth, its not in my head at all.
She worked for the learning center at the school. The curricula for the classes is here:
http://www.iowa-city.k12.ia.us/west/programofstudies/specialprograms.htm

They mention both physically and developmentally disabled students.

It was indeed likely that the teen had a troubled home life. Most teacher sex predators select just such kids to be their victims. But its also likely that the child was somehow disabled. The point is that this teacher’s aid was working with the school’s most vulnerable children.

And this isn’t the first special ed teacher I’ve written about.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79910 Elizabeth Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:39:57 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79910 The assumptions drawn from this poorly written newsarticle are dramatic and typical. Nowhere in the article does it indicate the student is developmentally disabled. Special education includes students with learning disabilities and behavioral disabilities. It is for students who may benefit from personalized assistance to learning. He was likely an at-risk teen with a troubled home life who wasn't thriving in a standard classroom setting. Most of the alleged relationship occurred during the summer when this young man was no longer a student. I'm not defending her actions, but I think you should reevaluate your assumptions regarding the case. The case of "raping a 'retarded' kid" is more shocking than the true story, but it's all in your head. The assumptions drawn from this poorly written newsarticle are dramatic and typical. Nowhere in the article does it indicate the student is developmentally disabled. Special education includes students with learning disabilities and behavioral disabilities. It is for students who may benefit from personalized assistance to learning. He was likely an at-risk teen with a troubled home life who wasn’t thriving in a standard classroom setting. Most of the alleged relationship occurred during the summer when this young man was no longer a student. I’m not defending her actions, but I think you should reevaluate your assumptions regarding the case. The case of “raping a ‘retarded’ kid” is more shocking than the true story, but it’s all in your head.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79844 Jennifer Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:23:35 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79844 Hey, if you could get my offline posts to you on here, that would be great. Thanks, Jennifer Hey, if you could get my offline posts to you on here, that would be great.
Thanks, Jennifer

]]> By: Pat http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79575 Pat Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:16:03 +0000 http://www.belch.com/blog/2008/02/21/reason-647-to-homeschool-your-retarded-child-wont-get-raped/#comment-79575 Jennifer, I got your offline email. Thanks for that. It seems you really only have a problem with my usage of an English Language word or "retard" which is what was used for a century to describe emotionally, mentally and physically deformed people with a wide range of defects. In Russia they outlawed words too to enforce the proper speech of the political climate. They invented politically correct speech. You also asked how I knew he was retarded? He was in the "special education" class, and that's not where the valedectorian polishes her graduation speech. Regardless his level of impairment, this teacher preyed on the weakest of the weak at the school. That's whats offensive. Not my usage of english words. Jennifer, I got your offline email. Thanks for that. It seems you really only have a problem with my usage of an English Language word or “retard” which is what was used for a century to describe emotionally, mentally and physically deformed people with a wide range of defects.

In Russia they outlawed words too to enforce the proper speech of the political climate. They invented politically correct speech.

You also asked how I knew he was retarded? He was in the “special education” class, and that’s not where the valedectorian polishes her graduation speech. Regardless his level of impairment, this teacher preyed on the weakest of the weak at the school.

That’s whats offensive. Not my usage of english words.

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